Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/16/1999 08:55 AM House FIN

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           HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                              
              April 16, 1998                                                                                                    
                 8:55 A.M.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 99 - 82, Side 1                                                                                                        
TAPE HFC 99 - 82, Side 2                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault called the House Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 8:55 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Therriault   Representative Grussendorf                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde    Representative Kohring                                                                                      
Representative Austerman   Representative Williams                                                                              
Representative G. Davis                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representatives Moses, Davies and Foster were absent from                                                                       
the meeting.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Norman Rokeberg; Anne Marie Holen, Alaska                                                                        
Native Health Board, Anchorage; Danny McGoldrick, Campaign                                                                      
for Tobacco Free Kids, Washington D.C.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
TESTIFIED VIA THE TELECONFERENCE NETWORK                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Christine McIntire, Executive Director, American Lung                                                                           
Association, Anchorage; Craig Harpel, Executive Director,                                                                       
American Heart Association, Anchorage; Angie Aceltine,                                                                          
Community Outreach, Soldotna; Diana Campbell, Tanana Chiefs                                                                     
Conference, Fairbanks; Elizabeth Ripley, Director, Community                                                                    
Health Planning Valley Hospital Association, Matsu; Mykki                                                                       
Orth, Soldotna.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 37 "An Act relating to smoking education and                                                                                 
cessation programs administered by the Department                                                                               
of Health and Social Services."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 37 (FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee with                                                                                
"no recommendations" and two zero fiscal notes,                                                                                 
one by the House Finance Committee, for Tobacco                                                                                 
Prevention and Control, Department of Health and                                                                                
Social Services and one by the Department of                                                                                    
Health and Social Services, Community Health                                                                                    
Services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
HOUSE BILL NO. 37                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
"An Act relating to smoking education and cessation                                                                             
programs administered by the Department of Health and                                                                           
Social Services."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
NORMAN ROKEBERG, SPONSOR spoke in support of HB 37. He                                                                          
observed that there are 110,000 smokers in the state of                                                                         
Alaska. He maintained that a large percentage of these                                                                          
persons wish to stop smoking. Nicotine is one of the most                                                                       
difficult addictions to "kick". Tobacco use is the leading                                                                      
cause of death in the state of Alaska. He provided members                                                                      
with a spreadsheet detailing the tobacco settlement's annual                                                                    
payments to each state (copy on file). He observed that the                                                                     
state of Alaska is scheduled to receive $668,9 million                                                                          
dollars or approximately $25 million dollars a year for 25                                                                      
years. Alaska will receive an additional $8 million dollars                                                                     
on or before June 30, 2000 as part of the small state                                                                           
settlement. This is to allow small states to establish                                                                          
smoking control and cessation programs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rokeberg noted that HB 37 does three things.                                                                     
It prohibits the sale cigarettes in packages of less than                                                                       
20. It also prohibits the re-importation and mislabeling of                                                                     
cigarettes produced for foreign markets. He observed that                                                                       
manufacturers are allowed to produce packages without the                                                                       
warning label for foreign sales. Some of these cigarettes                                                                       
are finding their way back into the U.S. market. It also                                                                        
authorizes the Department of Health and Social Services to                                                                      
develop and implement a fundamental smoking control and                                                                         
cessation program based on recommendations of the Center of                                                                     
Disease Control (CDC) for a comprehensive program. He                                                                           
observed that the CDC recommends between $8 and $17 million                                                                     
dollars is needed to develop a workable and effective                                                                           
program in Alaska. The state of Alaska currently spends $200                                                                    
thousand dollars for tobacco control. He observed that                                                                          
smokers are paying over $40 - $50 million dollars a year in                                                                     
tobacco taxes. Tobacco companies have raised the price of a                                                                     
package of cigarettes by an additional .45 cents per package                                                                    
to finance their costs for the tobacco settlement. The                                                                          
additional tax costs Alaskans approximately $30 million                                                                         
dollars per year. The state receives back approximately $25                                                                     
million dollars through the tobacco settlement. He concluded                                                                    
that Alaskan smokers pay approximately $70 million dollars                                                                      
annually in taxes on tobacco products.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf questioned if $3 million dollars                                                                     
would be sufficient to begin the program. Representative                                                                        
Rokeberg emphasized that $3 million dollars would be a                                                                          
minimal approach to implementation. He pointed out that                                                                         
smoking cessation programs are expensive. He noted that a                                                                       
six-week program using a nicotine patch at the state                                                                            
discount would still cost $105 dollars.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ANNE MARIE HOLEN, ALASKA NATIVE HEALTH BOARD, ANCHORAGE                                                                         
spoke in support of the legislation. She manages a small-                                                                       
scale tobacco control program at the Alaska Native Health                                                                       
Board. She spoke in support of a fully funded comprehensive                                                                     
tobacco control program that would build on the success of                                                                      
the tobacco tax and ultimately push smoking rates below the                                                                     
state goal of 15%. Smoking is currently estimated at 27%. It                                                                    
is estimated that 4,000 young Alaskans join the ranks of                                                                        
daily smokers every year. Once addicted, most smokers remain                                                                    
addicted for years before they quit, if they quit. Those who                                                                    
die from smoking lose an average of 12 to 15 years of life.                                                                     
Half of all long-term smokers die from smoking-caused                                                                           
disease, and half of those deaths occur in middle age.                                                                          
Persons who start smoking as children typically incur                                                                           
thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills                                                                      
to treat respiratory illness, heart disease, and cancer                                                                         
caused by smoking.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holen observed that smoking has been the leading cause                                                                      
of death in Alaska for some time. The state of Alaska                                                                           
appropriated $200 thousand dollars towards tobacco control                                                                      
in FY99. This was the first state appropriation toward                                                                          
tobacco control. The state brings in about $48 million                                                                          
dollars annually in tobacco taxes and will soon be seeing                                                                       
another $26 million dollars a year from its settlement with                                                                     
the tobacco industry.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holen maintained that the first priority for spending                                                                       
tobacco settlement dollars should be on programs to prevent                                                                     
and treat nicotine addiction. In a statewide public opinion                                                                     
survey of Alaskan voters, 86 percent said that a significant                                                                    
amount of the settlement money should be spent on tobacco                                                                       
control programs. She added that 65 percent felt that it                                                                        
should be a first priority.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holen observed that the Center for Disease Control has                                                                      
issued program and funding guidelines for each state. It                                                                        
recommended that Alaska spend $8.7 to $17.7 million dollars                                                                     
annually. That would be one-third to two-thirds of the                                                                          
tobacco settlement. She emphasized the importance of                                                                            
investing in a long-term, comprehensive program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Holen noted that the Alaska Tobacco Control Alliance has                                                                    
prepared a document called "The Alaska Tobacco Control                                                                          
Program: A Plan for the Future" (copy on file). She                                                                             
acknowledged that the state faces a difficult fiscal                                                                            
challenge. The Alliance maintains that $8.2 million dollars                                                                     
is the minimal amount needed for an effective, comprehensive                                                                    
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Ms. Holen emphasized that the Alaska Tobacco Control Program                                                                   
has three main goals: to reduce initiation among youth, to                                                                      
 help addicted youth and adults quit, and to protect non-                                                                       
smokers from secondhand smoke. These  goals would be                                                                            
accomplished by the coordinated action of the seven                                                                             
components. It utilizes a decentralized approach that                                                                           
transfers most of the resources outside of state government                                                                     
and into communities and organizations that are fighting                                                                        
this battle on the front lines. She listed the seven                                                                            
elements that make up the program. The seven components are:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
? Community Programs to Reduce Tobacco Use                                                                                      
? Cessation Programs                                                                                                            
? Counter marketing                                                                                                             
? School-based Programs                                                                                                         
? Tobacco-Free Partnership Projects                                                                                             
? Enforcement                                                                                                                   
* Program Development, Management, and Evaluation                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DANNY MCGOLDRICK, CAMPAIGN FOR TOBACCO FREE KIDS, WASHINGTON                                                                    
D.C. testified in support of HB 37. He stated that there are                                                                    
six major components for tobacco free kids: public                                                                              
Education, community-based programs, school-based programs,                                                                     
helping smokers quit, enforcement, and evaluation. He                                                                           
stressed that these elements work together. He discussed                                                                        
marketing efforts by tobacco companies. The tobacco industry                                                                    
spends $5 billion dollars a year or about $13 million                                                                           
dollars a day to market their products. He observed that 75                                                                     
percent of kids surveyed had seen recent tobacco                                                                                
advertising. Only 31 percent of the adults surveyed had seen                                                                    
recent tobacco advertising. He noted that the perception by                                                                     
children surveyed was that more adults smoke than the actual                                                                    
number. He asserted that efforts by the tobacco industry to                                                                     
market their product must be countered. Counter marketing                                                                       
consists of paid print, radio, and television advertising,                                                                      
and public relations efforts. The public education campaign                                                                     
utilizes contracts with marketing experts. He stressed that                                                                     
public education campaigns work. The California anti-tobacco                                                                    
media campaign reduced sales by 232 million packs in the                                                                        
first two years of its campaign. He noted that a combined                                                                       
smoking and media campaign reduced smoking in Vermont by 35                                                                     
percent. Community based programs work and are a good way to                                                                    
reach culturally diverse populations. Community programs                                                                        
such as the ASSIST Program reduced tobacco consumption by 7                                                                     
percent within three years of inception. The Minnesota Heart                                                                    
Health Program reduced smoking by nearly 40 percent by grade                                                                    
12. He emphasized that most smokers start as kids, 90                                                                           
percent of smokers start before the age of 19. He emphasized                                                                    
the importatnce of beginning tobacco education early.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McGoldrick discussed school-based programs. The Alaska                                                                      
Coalition has developed a plan to give competitive grants to                                                                    
school districts. Only districts that demonstrate that they                                                                     
will implement school-based programs that follow CDC                                                                            
guidelines are given grants. These guidelines demand that                                                                       
programs emplemented in schools are evidence based programs                                                                     
that have been proven to be effective. School based programs                                                                    
have been demonstrated to reduce prevalence by 20 percent by                                                                    
grade 12. A recent study showed that a middle school social                                                                     
influences program reduced teen smoking even in a tobacco-                                                                      
producing state.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He maintained that most smokers want to quit. He added that                                                                     
cessation products are promising but not accessible to all.                                                                     
Many health professionals do not provide counseling. Adults                                                                     
are important role models. Reducing adult smoking has a                                                                         
preventative affect on children and reduces second-hand                                                                         
smoke.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The comprehensive plan would have a quit smoking line                                                                           
operated by nonprofit organization. Insurance coverage for                                                                      
cessation would be linked to providers. There would be                                                                          
statewide training for health providers. He observed that                                                                       
long-term quit rates with no counseling are less than 5                                                                         
percent. Those with counseling and medications can obtain                                                                       
quit rates of up to 30 percent.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McGoldrick discussed enforcement.  Young people are                                                                         
still able to buy cigarette. He noted that enforcement is a                                                                     
key. Compliance goes along with enforcement. The plan calls                                                                     
for funding to enforce existing laws. Enforcement in                                                                            
California and Massachusetts has dramatically reduced                                                                           
illegal sales. It is crucial to have evaluation programs.                                                                       
Evaluation shows the effectiveness in states that have                                                                          
implemented programs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He noted that programs in California and Massachusetts have                                                                     
reduced tobacco consumption by 2 to 4 times the rate of                                                                         
other areas of the nation. Consumption in California has                                                                        
declined by 38 percent. Enforcement in California and                                                                           
Massachusetts has dramatically reduced illegal sales to                                                                         
minors in those states. Several community studies have shown                                                                    
that active enforcement of youth access laws increase                                                                           
merchant compliance. A recent study in Minnesota showed that                                                                    
increased enforcement also reduced youth smoking.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McGoldrick observed that since 1992, tobacco consumption                                                                    
in Massachusetts has declined by 31 percent. Tobacco                                                                            
consumption in Oregon declined by 11.3%, with almost half                                                                       
the decline (5%) attributable to a comprehensive tobacco                                                                        
prevention program, the rest to the excise tax that was                                                                         
passed to fund the program.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Less than a year after the initiation of Florida's Tobacco                                                                      
Pilot program, current smoking was reduced by 19% among                                                                         
middle school students and 10% among high school students.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
California and Massachusetts have avoided the dramatic                                                                          
increases in youth smoking that has occurred in the rest of                                                                     
the country. Since 1993, smoking among California 8th                                                                           
graders has remained relatively constant while increasing as                                                                    
much 36 percent in the rest of the country.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Smoking among Massachusetts 8th graders decrease slightly                                                                       
between 1993 and 1996. It increased dramatically elsewhere                                                                      
during this period. In the last couple of years there has                                                                       
been a decline in smoking of 10th - 12 graders in                                                                               
Massachusetts while it has increased elsewhere in the                                                                           
country.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McGoldrick noted that other early results from the                                                                          
Florida Tobacco Pilot Program are very encouraging: the                                                                         
proportion of teens who "strongly agree" that smoking has                                                                       
nothing to do with whether a person is cool increased.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
A 15-year follow-up study in Finland showed that the                                                                            
reductions in tobacco use produced by a mass media                                                                              
intervention combined with a school and community-based                                                                         
education program last over time. Mean lifetime cigarette                                                                       
consumption was 22 percent lower among program subjects than                                                                    
among control subjects.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The proportion of California tobacco retailers who failed                                                                       
compliance checks for selling tobacco products to minors                                                                        
declined from 52% in 1994 to 22% in 1997.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McGoldrick observed that the proportion of tobacco                                                                          
retailers in Massachusetts who sold tobacco illegally to                                                                        
minors has fallen from 48% to only 8% since the inception of                                                                    
the program. There have also been declines in adult smoking                                                                     
California and Massachusetts. In Massachusetts, smoking                                                                         
declined by 48% from 1990 to 1996. He stressed that a                                                                           
reduction of smoking during pregnancy reduces medical costs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McGoldrick emphasized that there is tremendous public                                                                       
support for these programs. He stressed that these programs                                                                     
are available and work. He pointed out that the state has a                                                                     
funding source that would generate $25 million dollars a                                                                        
year. He maintained that the settlement would accomplish                                                                        
little in terms of improving the public health if the money                                                                     
is not used for tobacco control programs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. McGoldrick showed the Committee advertising used to                                                                         
counter marketing by tobacco companies.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked how important is price as a                                                                               
determination of children smoking. Mr. McGoldrick stated                                                                        
that price is an important deterrent. He stated that studies                                                                    
have shown that the strongest impacts occur when a price                                                                        
increase is combined with tobacco control programs. Co-Chair                                                                    
Mulder noted that Alaska has the highest tobacco tax in the                                                                     
country. Mr. McGoldrick stated that reductions in sales are                                                                     
17 percent after the first year of the tobacco tax. Co-Chair                                                                    
Mulder observed that reductions in sales could be                                                                               
misleading, since Alaska is influenced by a number of                                                                           
markets. Mr. McGoldrick emphasized that this is consistent                                                                      
with other states. Co-Chair Mulder noted that the state of                                                                      
Alaska has taken the first step in tobacco control by                                                                           
imposing the highest tax level and suggested that it would                                                                      
make sense to allow the tax program to work before starting                                                                     
another. Mr. McGoldrick reiterated that there would be a                                                                        
better reduction rate with the addition of other programs.                                                                      
He added that it is essential to counter marketing by the                                                                       
tobacco industry.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Vice-Chair Bunde, Mr.                                                                              
McGoldrick noted that there is a 30 percent national                                                                            
increase of smoking among high school students. He observed                                                                     
that there are few national smoking prevention programs.                                                                        
Most states spend little on prevention and many programs are                                                                    
new. Statistics show that smoking prevention programs are                                                                       
successful.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde that there is more product placement of                                                                        
tobacco products in entertainment. Mr. McGoldrick observed                                                                      
that our culture promotes smoking and that it needs to be                                                                       
countered.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change, HFC 99 - 82, Side 2)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde stated that a national news program has                                                                        
suggested that the tobacco industry encourages shoplifting                                                                      
of their products. Mr. McGoldrick noted that tobacco                                                                            
industries pay retailers to place their products in                                                                             
prominent places. Almost 40 percent of the marketing and                                                                        
promotion budget of the tobacco industry are spent on                                                                           
slotting fees.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked if there is federal funding                                                                      
for these programs. Mr. McGoldrick observed that 17 states                                                                      
receive federal ASSIST funding of less than $1 million                                                                          
dollars per state. The remaining states receive a nominal                                                                       
amount through a program called IMPACT. Representative                                                                          
Austerman questioned if there is a breakdown of what is                                                                         
spent in states like California for different aspects of the                                                                    
program. Mr. McGoldrick stated that there are guidelines for                                                                    
what needs to be spent. He observed that media is a large                                                                       
part of the expense. He noted that there are fixed costs                                                                        
that would result in a larger cost per capita in small                                                                          
population states. He pointed out that arguments made by                                                                        
small states during the settlement discussions, resulted in                                                                     
a supplement based on the fact that small states would have                                                                     
greater per capita costs to implement programs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE MCINTIRE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AMERICAN LUNG                                                                           
ASSOCIATION, ANCHORAGE testified via teleconference in                                                                          
support of HB 37. She noted that recent data from the state                                                                     
of Florida demonstrates that results from tobacco control                                                                       
programs can be quick and effective. She stressed that they                                                                     
have worked long and hard on a rational strategic plan that                                                                     
reduces state bureaucracy. She emphasized that money spent                                                                      
now on these programs can reduce future costs. The state of                                                                     
Alaska receives a total of $74 million dollars from the                                                                         
tobacco tax and the tobacco settlement per year. She                                                                            
maintained that half of this funding should be used to turn                                                                     
back the tobacco epidemic.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG HARPEL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AMERICAN HEART                                                                                
ASSOCIATION, ANCHORAGE testified via teleconference in                                                                          
support of HB 37. He noted that although there are other                                                                        
factors to heart disease, tobacco is the number one risk                                                                        
factor in cardio-vascular disease. He noted that 28 percent                                                                     
of Alaskans smoke. He observed that 47 percent of Alaska                                                                        
Natives smoke. He observed that 36 percent of Alaskan teens                                                                     
have smoked within the last 30 days.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DIANA CAMPBELL, TANANA CHIEFS CONFERENCE, FAIRBANKS                                                                             
testified via teleconference in support of HB 37. She                                                                           
maintained that 100 percent of the tobacco settlement money                                                                     
should be used for health programs, primarily tobacco                                                                           
programs. She stated that cancer deaths of Alaska Natives                                                                       
are the highest in the nation. She stressed that smokers                                                                        
want to quit. She observed that one child started smoking at                                                                    
age 6. She stressed that there are not enough programs                                                                          
available for those that want to quit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH RIPLEY, DIRECTOR, COMMUNITY HEALTH PLANNING VALLEY                                                                    
HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION, MATSU testified via teleconference in                                                                     
support of HB 37. She noted that the Association                                                                                
commissioned a health status survey in the Matsu area in                                                                        
1998. She observed that 31 percent of the population smoked.                                                                    
The rate of emphysema correlated to the rate of smoking in                                                                      
the communities surveyed. There is no smoking cessation                                                                         
program in the Matsu Valley. The survey asked what change                                                                       
respondents would make to change their health in the next                                                                       
year. The number one change was to quit smoking. She                                                                            
stressed that she has seen countless patients, in great                                                                         
suffering, lament that they are dying from something that is                                                                    
so preventable.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ANGIE ACELTINE, SOLDOTNA testified via teleconference in                                                                        
support of HB 37. She stressed that the settlement money                                                                        
should go to medical and education prevention.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MYKKI ORTH, SOLDOTNA testified via teleconference in support                                                                    
of HB 37. She agreed that settlement money should go to                                                                         
medical and education prevention.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Williams MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 1 (copy on                                                                     
file). Representative Rokeberg explained the amendment.                                                                         
Amendment 1 deletes "does not comply with all of" and                                                                           
inserts differs in any respect from" on page 1, line 12. It                                                                     
also inserts "adding" on page 2, line 5 before "masking" and                                                                    
changes "may" to "shall" on page 2, line 10. He observed                                                                        
that the wording may differ and the rotating warnings would                                                                     
not be utilized as required by the FTC. He added that the                                                                       
amendment would require the commissioner to destroy the                                                                         
cigarette rather than resale them.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde suggested that the fiscal note be increased                                                                    
by $2 million dollars. Representative Grussendorf clarified                                                                     
that the intent would be that the additional funding come                                                                       
from the Department of Health and Social Services. He stated                                                                    
that he supported the amount but not the funding source.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault recommended that the fiscal note be                                                                         
zero.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde MOVED to report CSHB 37 (FIN) out of                                                                           
Committee with the accompanying $3 million dollar fiscal                                                                        
note by the Department of Health and Social Services, dated                                                                     
4/15/99. Co-Chair Therriault OBJECTED. He MOVED to DIVIDE                                                                       
the question. He stated that he would support a zero fiscal                                                                     
note. He observed that there is no funding in the majority-                                                                     
spending plan to support the $3 million dollar fiscal note.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that the pending MOTION would be                                                                      
to move from Committee the $3 million dollar fiscal note by                                                                     
the Department of Health and Social Services dated 4/15/99.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to AMEND the MOTION by reducing the                                                                       
fiscal note to zero. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so                                                                        
ordered.  Representative Grussendorf suggested that the                                                                         
legislation be held for further review of the fiscal note.                                                                      
Co-Chair Therriault observed that their Committee's schedule                                                                    
was full.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to adopt a zero                                                                        
fiscal note for the Department of Health and Social                                                                             
Services, Tobacco Prevention and Control.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Kohring, Austerman, Davis, Therriault, Mulder                                                                         
OPPOSED: Grussendorf, Williams, Bunde                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representatives Foster, Moses and Davies were absent from                                                                       
the vote.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf and Vice-Chair Bunde stated that                                                                     
they could not support the legislation without the                                                                              
accompanying funding.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault observed that funding could be added                                                                        
anywhere in the process if a funding source were found.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf stated that he would support                                                                         
moving the bill from committee, but that he would try to                                                                        
find support for funding to implement the program.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bunde OBJECTED to moving the bill. He emphasized                                                                     
that it is a hollow gesture. Representative Rokeberg stated                                                                     
that he preferred that the legislation move from committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion to move CSHB 37                                                                        
(FIN) from Committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Kohring, Austerman, Davis, Therriault, Mulder                                                                         
OPPOSED: Grussendorf, Williams, Bunde                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representatives Foster, Moses and Davies were absent from                                                                       
the vote.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (5-4).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 37 (FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee with "no                                                                            
recommendations" and two zero fiscal notes, one by the House                                                                    
Finance Committee, for Tobacco Prevention and Control,                                                                          
Department of Health and Social Services and one by the                                                                         
Department of Health and Social Services, Community Health                                                                      
Services.                                                                                                                       
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The meeting adjourned at 10:10 a.m.                                                                                             
House Finance Committee 11 4/16/99                                                                                              

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